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phosfate ([personal profile] phosfate) wrote2009-05-15 10:04 am

"You just think about what you're going to do, young lady!"

Twenty-four states currently have laws requiring women to receive counseling (or, more accurately, "counseling") and then wait, usually for 24 hours, before they can obtain an abortion. Basically, it amounts to giving grown women a timeout -- and, according to a new analysis of existing research by the Guttmacher Institute, it has next to no effect at all. Except this: "Mandatory counseling and waiting period laws that require an additional in-person visit before the procedure likely increase both the personal and the financial costs of obtaining an abortion, thereby preventing some women from accessing abortion services."

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2009/05/13/waiting_periods/index.html

[identity profile] nitasee.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Because a woman couldn't possibly have thought it over before seeing a doctor. Women being irrational and all.

It also means that women have to take more time off from work, which can be yet another difficulty.

Curious: I wonder how many of these same states have a 24 hour "cooling off" period before buying a handgun...Why do I suspect there'll be little or no overlap?

[identity profile] tikistitch.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Just finished the new book on Columbine, and, yeah, peoples wants they guns, dammit.

Oddly, one of the parents of kid who was slain now blames it all on ... ABORTION! Yes, really.
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[identity profile] annlarimer.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
WUT.

[identity profile] nitasee.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh dear god in heaven.
Edited 2009-05-15 18:13 (UTC)

[identity profile] alpha-orionis-v.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I know Nevada has a "cooling off" period of three days. I don't know what the abortion laws are.
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[identity profile] random-nexus.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I have such a white-hot hatey hate for specific demographic slices of the species.

Grrr.

[identity profile] oddrid.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why when women campaign for keeping Roe v. Wade, I have to ask "What Roe v. Wade? They killed that thing a long time ago."

[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
It makes me especially glad I live on the state line, as my only reaction to Indiana's mandatory waiting period/"counseling" is, "Fuck you, I can WALK to Illinois in ten minutes."
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Re: Car?

[identity profile] annlarimer.livejournal.com 2009-05-19 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
'Cause I can't find the little magic button box that opens the garage.

[identity profile] ambelies.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Hi. *waves madly* Saw you at [livejournal.com profile] paradisacorbasi's LJ and you looked shiny and stuff, so i added you. hope you dont mind. (that and the fact that my keyboard wont capitalize or punctuate worth a darn.
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[identity profile] annlarimer.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
*waves*

Cant' talk, dying. Back later.

[identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
"Mandatory counseling and waiting period laws that require an additional in-person visit before the procedure likely increase both the personal and the financial costs of obtaining an abortion, thereby preventing some women from accessing abortion services."

That's pretty much the point of those laws, though, isn't it? People who favor these laws can go "See, fewer abortions!" and sit back and cheer at the women being punished for being pregnant and not wanting to be Precious Babies Saved!

I mean I thought the precise and explicit purpose of those laws was to make abortion more difficult and expensive, thereby forcing women who couldn't afford a hotel room/extra day off work/whatever the issue is into giving birth. Did anyone claim they had another purpose?

[identity profile] viedma.livejournal.com 2009-05-18 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ohhhhh, an abortion! I thought you were giving out free *martinis.* Boy, is my face red!
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[identity profile] annlarimer.livejournal.com 2009-05-19 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
If someone could just invent an aborting martini... Imagine, walking into a bar and ordering a '486 colada.