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phosfate ([personal profile] phosfate) wrote2006-03-23 04:53 pm
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[Warnings for deathiness, gore, and a minor spoiler for Signs.]

God knows it's hard to know what to say when people die. For example, it's a running joke in our office that whoever gets to sign a sympathy card first invariably writes, "Our thoughts and prayers are with you," and the poor bastards who are left to follow up have to come up with something else.

But I had a weird one yesterday. I went to the bank to clear up some stuff with one of Mom's accounts. The Lady With A Desk actually remembered her, which was nice, and did the usual condolences, and then said, "Was it a blessing, at least?" People keep asking me that. It's a well-meaning phrase, I guess, sort of like when you put your dog to sleep and at least it's not in pain anymore.

On the other hand, with a human being, it's also coded to mean, "Was it after years of ineffective chemo, with the barfing and the balding and the giant tumours?" or "Was she just dripping with agonizing sores that no painkiller could numb?" or "Did she finally kick it after a decade of being totally goon-a-rama geezer scooters until you thought you'd go nuts with the responsibility?" or "Was she, like, totally cut in half but still alive and pinned to a tree like Mel Gibson's wife in Signs?" I mean, what do you say to that?

"Uh, I suppose so," I said brilliantly. "Y'know. Considering it was death and all."

"That's good," she said.

This wasn't the first time. I swear, next person who asks that is getting, "It was fucking amazing. Her head spontaneously blew apart like Louis del Grande in Scanners. The whole neighborhood heard it. Our homeowner and medical insurance guys are in court right now, fighting over who has to pay to replace the drapes*."

Okay, I won't.


*This image courtesy of the time Mom dropped a jar of Prego sauce in the living room that went off like a grenade and made the place look like a Tobe Hooper film.

[identity profile] theodicy.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. It's like that, sometimes.

I'm sorry.

[identity profile] lavendertook.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like they're wanting you to make it all normal for them and comfort them by asking that. Saying, "I'm sorry for your loss," may feel totally dumb and trite and unhelpful, and it is, though well-meaning. But asking you to affirm something positive is really self-indulgent of them. I can't decipher that urge as well-meaning to you in any way. WTF is wrong with people sometimes? Can I kick them?

[identity profile] amilyn.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I love you more than I can say.

*hugs*
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[identity profile] kirbyfest.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
People have no idea what to say.

If it's someone I'm close to, I generally just hug them, which some people probably find more hideous than platitudes, but there you go.

[identity profile] suzyd.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Did your mom just die?? I'm sorry to hear that. She sounded cool. Are you okay?

I don't really know what to say either. *general feelings of sadness and positive wishes for the future directed your way*

[identity profile] ashenmote.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I know. It should be more like 'So, on a scale from 0 to 10, how much of a blessing would you say it was?', just to take away the suggestiveness.

The worst talk I remember from back when my mom died was when I had to carry the unopened medicament supply back to the apothecary. The overwhelmed PTA was all extra at-pains and sincere-like and 'Can't stop! Must try out next vaguely suitable phrase!'-like to make up for the awkwardness of the transaction. Gah. The poor girl.

[identity profile] kannaophelia.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Mum and I nursed Nanna for the last year or so, which is the real reason my PhD died, and people would ask that. I couldn't snark, I would try to answer honestly and say, well, the last year was awful, she was in constant pain and confused, she had no control over her bowels or bladder and had lost all dignity in having to be catheterised and cleaned by her grand daughter, she was slowly starving because she wouldn't eat and she was nearly scalded to death when I fell asleep during the day and she tried to shower herself and ended up lying on the floor as the hot water blasted - I will *never* forgive myself for that, I still wake up crying - but I loved her and I missed her and I wanted her alive and with me and she was always loved and loving... so maybe it was "a blessing for her" but I'm selfish and I want her back. So not a blessing for me, no, and maye not for her, because there were still things that made her happy... her family, for one.

Of course, all I managed was to say "sort of" and start crying.

Because, yeah, what you really want is for your loved ones to be alive and free of pain, not dead.

I'm sorry. This is not helpful. But you are kind and gallant and courageous and quite lovely, so I detest people, however well meant, for asking you insensitive questions like that.

~millions of hugs~

[identity profile] taraljc.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
It was fucking amazing. Her head spontaneously blew apart like Louis del Grande in Scanners. The whole neighborhood heard it. Our homeowner and medical insurance guys are in court right now, fighting over who has to pay to replace the drapes.

This is part of why I'm incredibly glad I know you.

Also, I love you, and stuff, and I'm thinking about you. Not in, you know, a dirty way.

*smooshes you with virtual hugs what don't actually involve weird people touching you inappropriately*

[identity profile] kosher-jenny.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
It's one of those things where people have such a difficult time saying the right words. You panic about sounding like an insensitive jerk so you use a "well-meaning" phrase as you put it. You want to reach out and hug them, but people always react differently to physical contact so even that's uncertain.

[identity profile] comice.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know you, but I'm sending you millions of hugs.

[identity profile] ex-sporknin.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
<3

[identity profile] ex-sporknin.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oh thanks, livejournal, for eating that.



There.

[identity profile] comice.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I know that I should be kind and agree that people get tongue-tied and inarticulate, but part of the problem really is that people can be quite shockingly stupid and insensitive. I could come up with about a million different examples of this kind of thing -- the person who kept insisting that my sister who can't have children should stop being selfish and have a baby; the cousin who told another sister to stop crying at our grandmother's wake because it was inappropriate, etc. Sadly, this is true on the best days of our lives, and it doesn't get any better on the worst.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Ann}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

[identity profile] comice.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, sorry. I actually had a point, which was this: what's wrong with simply saying "I'm so sorry" in a sincere tone?

[identity profile] thistlethorn.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
People totally don't know what to say. Inevitably (and I count myself regrettably in this category) they (we) say something moronic.

However, I have to say that the image from the Prego-sauce explosion is a fitting and wonderful tribute to your Mom, whose sense of humor (just from your LJ posts alone, since I wasn't lucky enough to meet her) seemed delightful and just a little wacky and firmly intact. I never met her and she was one of my favorite people.

[identity profile] cocoajava.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ya know, you are so Ann that sometimes your complete and total Ann-ness just puts me in a state of Larimerosity beyond belief.

Don't ever not be yourself. For one thing, um, well, I wouldn't recognize you and that would just be as anticlimatic as this sentence.

[identity profile] hawkmoth.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
*hugs you*

This wasn't the first time. I swear, next person who asks that is getting, "It was fucking amazing. Her head spontaneously blew apart like Louis del Grande in Scanners. The whole neighborhood heard it. Our homeowner and medical insurance guys are in court right now, fighting over who has to pay to replace the drapes*."

Okay, I won't.


But--that's so totally you. However, you would get a lot of strange looks.

Louis! Hee.

The Prego thing reminds me of the time I was in the supermarket and someone dropped a plastic bottle of ketchup. Freaking thing went off, as you said, like a grenade.

[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
"It was fucking amazing. Her head spontaneously blew apart like Louis del Grande in Scanners. The whole neighborhood heard it. Our homeowner and medical insurance guys are in court right now, fighting over who has to pay to replace the drapes."

I love you. Though I suspect the response might then be, "But were they very ugly drapes, and was it a blessing at least to be rid of them?"

[identity profile] spinooti.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Ann, have I told you that you are one of my favorite people on the internet? Because it's TRUE.

Have you read Yotsuba? If not, can you send me your mailing address? These are two not unrelated questions.

[identity profile] esorlehcar.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
*hugs you a lot*

I didn't get "was it a blessing," though I seemed to spend way too much time saying deeply trite things like, "I'm just glad she didn't suffer," and "There's nothing she would have hated more than feeling useless, so I'm glad she never deteriorated to that point."

The question that really drove me batshit was the soft, studiously heartfelt, "How are you?" Because it came from fucking everyone, and honestly, what the FUCK do you say to that? "I'm FABULOUS, how are you?!" I know there's nothing to say, and I know people have to say it anyway, and god knows I've been the one spouting well-meant but incredibly inane things many, many times. But that doesn't make it suck any less when it happens to you.

I like the Scanners idea, though. I say go with that!

[identity profile] tacohime.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'd suggest telling them that you poured a 40 out on the curb for her, as all homies do in rememberance of the fallen, but the response you came up with is pretty damn brilliant on its own.

Here, boobs: ( . ) ( . )

[identity profile] robanybody.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
You are amazing in every respect, Ann.

[identity profile] sorchar.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
Somehow, I think maybe your mother would be amused by that.
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[identity profile] norabombay.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
Ouch. Sometimes I wonder if the worst part of losing somebody is the sympathy about it.

Although? What else is there to say?

The answer!

[identity profile] tacohime.livejournal.com 2006-03-24 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Clearly, you should direct those looking for The Right Thing To Say to this image:
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